Wideband/Datalogging Discussion

I'm looking into wideband/datalogging options and have come down to these three systems. I've included links to all three. Anyone have experiance with any of these? Discuss amongst yourselves

Innovate LM-1
AEM Eugo
Zeitronix ZT-2

Innovate LM-1 is a great affordable model. Be sure to get the heat sync or you will foul out the sensor. The LC-1 is good as well but the sensors stop calibrating and foul out also. AEM is what a lot of people run and I always hear great things about them but they more spendy. I know Jason can chime in as well. Ask Mike about his LM-1 he loves it as far as I know.

The LM-1 is very nice but as far as affordable and amazing accuracy you can't beat the AEM Uego. I would use that myself if I was buying one. The zeitronix stuff is also very nice. If money is no object get an FJO wideband, if you don't want to spend a fortune get the AEM in my opinion.

i like the aem's but i know of 3 of them owned by my friends that have had problems with them, such as incorrect readings or sensors failing very prematurely.... i have a plx dm5 and i like it better than any other in its price range it reads very fast and is decently accurate ... def dont get a ngk wideband, they read extremely slow and only read between like 10.0 and 16.0 if i remember right.

Thats weird about the AEM's they are always rated as the best and I have used/seen a bunch of them that always worked awesome. Another nice thing about them though is they use the Bosch 02 which makes replacing it very easy.

The innovates can be calibrated as the sensor wears, the AEMs cannot. IMO the innovates are the most accurate. They also use a standard Bosch sensor. The thing about wideband setups is the sensors do wear out over time and have to be replaced more often then their narrowband counterparts.

I think most of the problems people have with any wideband setup is that they are not installed or setup correctly. Or they put the sensor to close to the engine (within the exhaust) and they simply fail from too much heat.

I will be installing an Innovate LC1 as soon as time allows me to. I've done the install before and was happy with the results.

Doug had mentioned last night when we were discussing it, that I could plug in the sensor, tune accordingly, and then replace the sensor w/ the original O2 hence prolonging the life of the wideband sensor........ thoughts?

For life of the wideband that is a good idea. But you need to make sure that the stock narrow band doesn't interfere when reinstalled. On a stock ECU this should only be at part throttle and low rpm's. If you have two bungs I prefer to tune with the factory o2 in place and let it function as it would normally. Then use a plug to fill the extra port. However I run my wideband all the time and have to change sensors every few years. The biggest issue is that a lot of people remove them all the time and either touch or let something contaminate the sensor.

You are correct that using the AEM gauge you can not tune it but if you have a tunable EMS you can correct the voltage curve to compensate for any sensor changes. Unless touched or over heated you should be fine runnig a wideband for years with no issues. If you need to run it close to a turbo or less than 12" from the engine exhaust ports make sure and use an o2 sensor spacer. Heat and oil from the engine or your finger tips will kill a sensor fast.

i just prefer the plx. i like the looks and the price... i did have one problem with my wideband before i installed it, it was stuck i lamba mode and couldnt be reversed.. but plx paid shipping both ways for a new dm5 box and i had it back within a couple days! products sell easy with great customer service!!

ZipDriveX wrote:

Doug had mentioned last night when we were discussing it, that I could plug in the sensor, tune accordingly, and then replace the sensor w/ the original O2 hence prolonging the life of the wideband sensor........ thoughts?

im not sure if it hurts anything or dsms or even honda for that matter. but you could splice the imput from the facotry oxygen sensor into a wideband guage and get an a/f reading too if im correct.. or maybe it was you can run just an aftermarket wideband instead of a stock oxygen sensor... i had to one or the other for a while until i could afford another bosch o2 sensor.

jdmsolutions wrote:

ZipDriveX wrote:

Doug had mentioned last night when we were discussing it, that I could plug in the sensor, tune accordingly, and then replace the sensor w/ the original O2 hence prolonging the life of the wideband sensor........ thoughts?

im not sure if it hurts anything or dsms or even honda for that matter. but you could splice the imput from the facotry oxygen sensor into a wideband guage and get an a/f reading too if im correct.. or maybe it was you can run just an aftermarket wideband instead of a stock oxygen sensor... i had to one or the other for a while until i could afford another bosch o2 sensor.

I do know some widebands can emulate a second "narrowband" output to allow your ecu to function accordingly while allowing you to have a wideband in your car. As for taking the stock o2 sensor out, installing/tuning on a wideband, then putting your stock o2 sensor back in.. I'm not sure how the car would react to this. I know on the 32bit subaru ecu's that they react differently when the o2 sensor is removed. How much could that affect a tune? Not entirely sure as I haven't really done it.

Well I just bought the LM-1 off a guy and he's throwing in a brand new Bosh 02 sensor. I can't wait to start tuning this spring!

You are going to wait to install? I would as you are not going to be tuning this time of year anyway. May as well salvage the o2 for as long as possible, because they go bad, alot.

Ya, gonna wait. Still gotta get my exhaust fixed and installed (tomorrow baby!!!!) so as not to screw up the readings anyway. Plus I'm really not too worried about my tune in this slick shit. Once spring hits though the LM1 is going in along w/ the 7psi spring and it's time to learn how to do this stuff!

I am more than willing to help you out. That program is new to me, but with a wideband should be a cakewalk.

Thanks Mikey! We'll have to set up a Saturday to do some logs I'm excited!

Better start doing the 'WARM WEATHER DANCE'.

in my opinion, the lm-1 is probably the most user friendly and install/removable one ive seen. not to mention calibration is a cake, and the vw bosch 02 isnt really very expensive. although any mix in your fuel with a leaded fuel will eat its ass so fast.

Just ordered my AEM. I'll post up a review after using it for a bit.

Sir Pat! Is it really you? o_O

I use a Tech Edge out of Australia. It data logs and has a wide band. Here's the web site http://wbo2.com/cart/allprices.htm . you put together what you need for wait you need. the site is kind of hard to get around, but the price isn't to bad. Any Question just ask.

Interesting....... never heard of them before.

My friend has used them for about seven yearsand turned me on to them. We have had them in 03 Cobra, 99 Vette, and a few 5.0 mustangs. You hit a button to start data logging and hit it again to stop and download it to your laptop. We do it at the track all the time. depending on what you need it has up to seven inputs to read and log I think might be more or less have to check the website. I data log RPM,AFR, Thottle Position,MAS Air Meter, Air Temp,Timing and Coolent Temp. It pretty sweet for the money and they have many different ones to pick from depending on what you need.

isnt that what your eye balls and gauges are for? just messin, i know datalogging would be nice but i just cant justify it with my junkyard build on the cheap and still run circles around 90% of you guys budget